Episode 10

Impact of Degree Change on Students of Color w/ Tedd Girouard

Published on: 19th April, 2021

We sit down with a highly experienced, empathic, and culturally competent educator to discuss the impact of degree inflation on the recruitment and retention of students of Color.


  1. Potential negative impacts of degree change to underrepresented student of color
  2. Financial constraints
  3. Bachelors versus masters degree
  4. GA positions will change
  5. Geographic constraints
  6. Cost of education vs post grad salary
  7. Greater length of time until in the work force
  8. Isolation/alienation
  9. Few POC in the program
  10. Current programs don’t recruit
  11. 80% of program directors do not intentionally recruit POC
  12. Soon to be published data from Dr. Warren
  13. Most AT programs are at predominantly white schools
  14. One HBCU with athletic training major1
  15. Bethune-Cookman Univ
  16. Is there a gap in cultural competence in current AT education?
  17. Most educators do not endorse having high levels of confidence in cultural comptency3
  18. These educators lack diversity
  19. Degree change FAQ’s from NATA2
  20. How will the degree change impact diversity?
  21. “It was found that greater diversity exists at the graduate level of athletic training programs than it does at the undergraduate level. In addition, minorities represent a high population of student athletes. Therefore, the degree level change may also open up the opportunity to become an athletic trainer for more minority students, as the athletes can complete their AT coursework once their undergraduate playing days are completed.”
  22. Does the change increase student debt?
  23. “The extra one to two years of school does mean debt will increase; however, when you compare ATs who have master’s degrees with those who don’t, ATs with master’s have more longevity in the profession and higher rates of full time employment, which often corresponds to increased salaries. Even though the debt is higher, having a master’s could help contribute to increased salary, thus reducing student debt at a quicker rate.”
  24. References
  25. 1. https://thewildcatden.net/new-blog/2019/8/28/bethune-cookman-university-leads-as-the-only-historically-black-college-and-university-in-the-nation-to-offer-a-nationally-accredited-master-of-athletic-training-program
  26. 2. https://www.nata.org/career-education/education/resources-tools/degree-change-faqs
  27. 3. Grove DH, Mansell J. Cultural competence: where are we as athletic training educators? Athletic Training Education Journal. 2020;15(1):49-54.
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The AT Last Podcast
Sports medicine practitioners recognizing, addressing, and catalyzing change.
Sports medicine practitioners recognizing, addressing, and catalyzing change within their spheres of influence. Hosts Adam Cady, Christopher Bates, and Kristen Ross focus specifically on the issue of “race” in America, its disparaging impact on our society, and how that is reflected within the world of athletic training.
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Christopher Bates

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Christopher Bates is a proud family man and has passionately worked in sports medicine and human performance for over a decade. He is both a Certified Athletic Trainer (ATC), as well as a Registered Strength & Conditioning Coach (RSCC). Bates' experiences and paradigms for excellence have led to the creation and establishment of several holistic sports medicine and athletic-performance skill development programs across all levels of athletics including Olympic, University, High School and youth.

Currently, Bates serves as the Sports Medicine Manager and Head Athletic Trainer for USA Water Polo’s Men’s Olympic team. Bates also directs the athletic-performance skill development for the team along with the team's dedicated strength and conditioning coach.

Kristen Ross

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Dr. Ross attended the University of Nevada Las Vegas obtaining a Bachelor's degree in athletic training and a Master's in Kinesiology. Dr. Ross later received his Doctorate in Health Sciences with a Specialization in Organizational Behavior and Leadership. Dr. Ross has spent the majority of his professional Career providing sports medicine services in performing arts, industrial, and secondary school settings.

Adam Cady

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Adam C. Cady holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Kinesiology/Athletic Training from California State University-Fullerton, and a Master of Health Science from Duke University. He is also a graduate of the sports medicine fellowship program at The Steadman Clinic, in Vail, Colorado. He currently works as a Physician Assistant at Cedars-Sinai Kerlan-Jobe Institute in Los Angeles, where he specializes in sports medicine.

His current passions/research interests include improving health equity in underserved communities and Functional Medicine.